Mobs with keys or keymobs

[Matthias]

A note has been posted -To the evils- but i think needs to catch the attention of the God+.

[ 2] Hork: To the evils.
Thu Mar 20 23:13:50 2008
To: all
Abel tells Fzoul (in common), 'FYI heal staves are locked up, summoning chamber is off-line, sanc flasks are safd, captinas logs are locked up

Abel teleported the mob with key's to pop heal staves, to open the summoning chamber, and put all the sanc
flasks on a female centaur (also tele'd), and locked up the mob who pops the captain's logs so we can't use them.

just a heads up, and if you spot that female centaur where it shouldn't be, i suggest you kill it and hide the keys.

Hork Hogan, World Champion of the Nashite Magi


Month after month, people like Abel do something very clever to hide limited items such as heal staves and captain's logs in an attempt to make TFC a better place. Notice I said people -like- Abel because hes not the only one that does this...
These people teleport mobs with the keys to pop those certain items. What this does is take those items that people are unAbel to pop completely out of this game thus changing the way this game works. I believe this is very disrespectful to the people that took countless hours to think/write these areas and create the items and/or rooms for them to be used. Now it would be another story if Abel popped all the limiteds and kept repopping them to keep them in his possession because that actually takes work, and it leaves people the opportunity to either steal from him or PK him for those items. The teleportation of the keys makes it so that nobody can pop them except for the person that knows where he teleported the keys.

People like Abel are bringing disorder into the realm and it needs to be stopped. Now i know this is an idea forum, so heres the idea --Make these actions illegal. It is a selfish act and should not be tolerated.

-Matthias, Supreme Specimen of the Nashite Magi.

[DarkClaw]

Now i know this is an idea forum, so heres the idea --Make these actions illegal.

How would you even enforce something like that? I mean, it'd be near impossible to sit and babysit every mage to see who teleports what. The only way I could see would be to eliminate teleporting of mobs entirely from the game. I, personally, wouldn't do that just because it seems "unrealistic" to me to be able to teleport a person but not a "creature"...but I'm sure others feel differently.

[Matthias]

Maybe make every mob that holds a key, not teleportable?

OR

Make those mobs hunters.. meaning they hunt whoever hits them until they log off, then they go back to where they came from.

[menelaos]

blah, ok less flaming. I disagree with this idea.

-Menelaos

[hork]

i myself (and i'm very active) know noone blocked the altibia room. and i don't mind the stuff being hidden away. just for the people who use'em, i don't use sanc flasks, but other non-Nashite Magi might. what i find hilarious is that you thought WE were trying to mess with an area so you couldn't pop violet wands, yeah we tried to get them off of mish, but they'd purge any how. and i'm pretty sure the way abel is hiding those mobs is simple, charming/portaling/ getting them to hit other mobs so they'd stay put, were not morons. you guys make it seem liek this is rocket science, go ahead and pat yourselves on the back. you've outsmarted the Notorious Magi once again.

P.S. Magi, Magi, Magi, and Magi.

[DarkClaw]

*sigh* Why does it ALWAYS have to turn into a flaming session?

[boromir]

Why post a flaming response that will porbably degenerates into a flaming session?

Its easier to flame than be constructive or thoughtful. Sometimes even not posting a reply or comment would be easier but the temptation to flame has such a strong allure that a flame must be lit know an inferno could result .. as it were.

your considered response!

[Anonymous Mammal]

I don't get it. What exactly is the problem with what Abel has done?

[Schwartz]

He's not affecting the well-being of the new or inexperienced players, so the only people this 'hurts' are those of you who have been here a while.

Abel is UA, and was sharing the information with a Lawful Good. His actions don't seem inappropriate, given the alignments involved.

[Matthias]

..has nothing to do with alignments, its the fact that they are changing the game for their own benefit, putting things out of their purpose in this game thus disrespecting every area maker who had the vision and put their time and effort into writing such zones with those items/rooms.

[Anonymous Mammal]

I think the reason you have a problem with what he's done is that it disrupts your ability to obtain the items he has so cleverly hidden.

I think your reasoning of disrespecting the area authors has nothing to do with why you are upset with his actions and are using it simply to try to make a valid point (which it is not) against his actions.

A few misplaced items and mobs does not disrupt the game play. There are many people who play daily without ever coming across or having need of any of those items or mobs. People have played the game for years without these items and if they can't wait until the mud reboots/crashes for everything to be set back to normal then that is their own personal problem to deal with.

[Matthias]

Disrespect to area writers regardless of what you think my feelings are.

[Anonymous Mammal]

Disrespect to area writers regardless of what you think my feelings are.

That's just a matter of opinion. Your opinion to be more exact.

Unless the area authors speak up and voice their concern for what Able's actions have done to supposedly ruin their areas, I don't believe you have a leg to stand on. This, of course, is my opinion.

[Anonymous Mammal]

While we're on the subject, would you then consider the various changes to areas over the years also disrepsectful? There have been numerous mobs removed from the game. There have been numerous items removed, or reslotted. There have been rooms made into safe rooms and safe rooms made into non-safe rooms.

Would you also consider these things to be disrespectful towards the area authors?

[hork]

i think it's different when a GOD+ or Implementor changes something. but yeah, i don't think it's wrong. just annoying, stuff reminiscent to Ink's doings. it doesn't bother me much though. just good to let people know what happened to these things.

<3, Hork.

[Belsambar]

I don't think it's really an issue. People have been using the tactic for years, and since he hid keys on a mob that has NOTHING to do with where the keys are popped and then teleported it, it's not the same as teleporting the key mob.

Especially since a goodly number of the most important mobs with keys AREN'T teleportable, and strides have been made to make sure zones can't be locked out by locking off the only key to it. Parts of zones, sure, but not the zones themselves...

...which was the main idea in preventing that to begin with. As for items, well, who cares, what's the difference between putting the items on a tele'd mob, and stashing them on Greta, or Rebecca, or any other non-shoppie mob in a safe room? People have been doing that for a rather long time, and nobody seems to care that much...

...I suppose maybe you should just have been thankful he used a small mob and gave you a remote chance to find it and kill it...

[Mas]

The issue is not teleporting mobs, the issue is having a certain player/group control a part of the game which limits gameplay and skews the playing field and prevents others from being able to fight him. It's a similar issue to hoarding items/gear (which Tynian responded to by making code to make it harder for one player to hold gear, implementing the purge code, Mish auctions, etc). Gear "liquidity" is important - it should be able to flow from one character to another fairly easily. Without that, people lose interest and the ability to fight each other, which helps stifle interest in the game and hurts overall gameplay. No one wants to play a game that is unfair and/or they have to spend an exhorbant amount of time on to build up (or have to log on right at a reboot to RACE to the zones to secure specific rooms for use), ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THIS IS A TEXT BASED MUD IN THE YEAR OF 2008 - people are less interested in playing it vs other games in general, if it becomes unfair/biased people have even less incentive to play. But I digress...

I think this is a fairly easy fix - I dont know if not being able to teleport mobs is the answer, but perhaps just a code to have the mobs walk/path back to where the spawn after a certain period of time? Not sure if that is possible, but seems like the best solution to me.

[Tokugawa]

I meant to ask this in game, but I've been a little busy. What items do people think are being hoarded?

I'd like to know what items you would like to have a shot at, but currently cannot because said items are only on a few characters.

-Tokugawa

[Mas]

I don't care too much about the equipment, but I think the following items are being hoarded:

captain's log
message to the king
pretty much all sanc potions (small flasks, holy water, etc)
pretty much all heal staves/rings/potions

Abel has used the teleport NPC tactic to hoarde these items (ex: he'll go pop a bunch of small flasks and then give them to a female centuar, then teleport the mob to a zone where no one can find it).

[Tokugawa]

I don't care too much about the equipment, but I think the following items are being hoarded:

captain's log
message to the king
pretty much all sanc potions (small flasks, holy water, etc)
pretty much all heal staves/rings/potions

Do you know the names of the heal items?