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Titles
I think it would be interesting if players could purchase customizable titles, similar to the titles given to ordained players and certain gods. Possibly create a mob similar to Astaldo (The Keeper of Names?) to perform this service. Price would be quite high (1m-2m gold), but once paid for, would allow the character to alter their title once per arbitrary interval (1 month? 1 week?)
In addition to being neat, it would also add a much needed goldsink to the game
Last edited by Vale; July 8th, 2011 at 09:11 PM.
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I like it.
Krouk
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Nah, that's part of the coolness of being OM.
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OM is still very cool, even if they had to share their special title for the benefit of the economy - a gold sink that is neither a simple ring or increased taxation. I do think the ability should be limited to characters with maximum levels (at least in their class), and charge them the standard cost anytime they wished to change the title.
Krouk
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... you guys do know about title right?
And there are several reasons for gold including storage, simples, auctions (yay Cordir), and bribing/Bounty Hunter sending (which should NOT be removed in v5 as has been suggested). The latter being especially true when people are whining about things to spend gold on. Plus hunters are innovative, neat, and fun - but the thread's about titles, something we all have. Use those.
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So what?Originally Posted by Teluin
i.e. Simples and taxation ... (Auctions are not a gold sink ... they just redistribute wealth)
The debt system is seriously flawed, so much that my character is unplayable and would not be enjoyable as an active thief.
Most people do use titles, some would like additional options and may be willing to pay for them... how does this have anything to do with the idea? Granting additional customization does nothing to remove the current capabilities of the title function.
We all know who does the most "whining" around here.
Krouk
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You have 2 million gold. You can pay off the debt for stealing, you just don't want to because you're saving up for one of those sink holes you've mentioned. Debt's just another one.
Leave Belsambar out of this.
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Auctions *are* a gold sink, if Cordir is the one auctioning.....
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Partially true I guess, but she does use that gold to reward quest participants.
In regards to the discussion about the economic impact, I think more goldsinks are sorely needed. After acquiring two simple rings, the only use a player has for gold is
- Removing debt from pking
- Cordir Auctions
The latter is very recent and could cease to exist tomorrow for all we know. Let's ignore for a moment that certain characters might not wear simple rings, and that simple rings are so prominent now they are more likely to be acquired through PK or trade than purchase. What if the player doesn't need to use money to absolve debt (not a PKer or is in an active following whose FLI has a lot of mana)? At this point they are saving money solely on the chance Cordir randoms something they can use (and auctions it when they are online).
In healthy economies, money always has value. That value diminishes as quantity increases, but it is still present. I think the TFC economy has too many cases where the value of gold is near 0 for a player. Titles would be a neat way to allow a character to customize/personalize further while eating up the money in the economy. There are enough benefits to being an OM that they can remain fun while allowing other players the privilege of paying money to set titles. Plus they get a free title anyway
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I don't see how money is 0 for anyone. Even da chars can still use their money with people who want simples or to fix their debt etc.
Also, Cordir auctions aren't the only sink hole auction - Mish auctions too. And sometimes those go REALLY high in gold.
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Nice Teluin. However, you ignored the fact that I hadn't been actively posting on Forums for the better part of a month...and for all my 'whining' you've ALWAYS been better at it. So how about until I actually speak, you leave ME out of this?
...now that THAT has been said....
Auctions are not the greatest sink. At the point I'm at, sure, if I had millions, I could buy whatever gets tossed up. I'd need to have millions, too, as my gear is just at the edge of being a pain in the ass to upgrade, but still easily upgradeable with the right combo's...which are the same combo's everyone else needs now that people are figuring out how to gear with more than just dmg/svs/hr (took you all long enough!)
Lastly, this function used to be something you could do through Guru as part of petitioning for immortality. I don't see what's so bad about being able to set class titles every once in a while for some variety and flavor. There is ALWAYS a need for a 'gold sink' whether gold is value 0 or not, because the more things a player CAN spend gold on, the more reasons TO have gold, and the more arbitrary value gold has...unless you like TFC's gold becoming about as useless as the US $, where you can buy some cool stuff for cheap enough, but anything that is actually useful on the higher end of things is ONLY owned by the upper-class.
Lastly again (just thought of this as I was writing) flavor text on stuff is all we really have to prevent the 'cookie-cutter' affect of how much of a difference there really is. Most everyone builds, grinds, and uses gear and skills in a similar way. Almost everyone chains their classes the same way. I appreciate formulas, but there's a bit of monotony to this...at the very least a player can get bored and gold up a way to look more unique on who. If you can't use news page or 'whois' to figure out who is and isn't ordained, well, I'm sorry, but you're probly too stupid to play TFC effectively and get anywhere anyway.
Or you're Teluin, apparently.
-=SuicideMage=-
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thanks for that 'or' Bels
It was never a matter of seeing who is Ordained - there are so many deactivated ones as it is. It was just a neat feature given to activated OM's and I think it should stay that way.
And I don't whine - I come up with ideas to improve. It just sucks that I have to defend the ideas because people don't want to improve what they don't play. There's a difference!
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Well, I know YOU'RE not stupid Tel, we just have vastly VASTLY different opinions on 'what improves the game' regardless of class played...everything needs help as things develop and go, it's going to be a constant cycling as things get altered, tailored, and balanced, and rebalanced...you know, like they've done over the years...
The specific difference I've noticed between my ideas and yours is the ideas you propose are kinda big ideas trying to fix a lot of issues in one shot, while I try to suggest little ideas that will make similar changes over time when collectively put together...
It's all a matter of style
-=SuicideMage=-
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we need to combine our powers...
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When our powers combine...we are CAPTAIN AWESOME!!!
-=SuicideMage=-
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I like the idea of more money sinks. The idea of purchasing following/temple upgrades, for instance. I also really like this idea. While I am an Ordained, my benefit would still be that I don't have to pay to have my title changed (my Imm can do it for free). Perhaps color OM titles differently as well, or something. Still, the core idea is a great way to offer more uses for those with cash to spend.
God+
An Ordained Mortal-ish title was sold by Tynian in the past.
01/15/2003: Anduin purchases a Classtitle in a special Tynian auction.
Elf [ Paladin ] Anduin, Lunar Knight of the WarDancers 01/19/2003
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Haha yep, for a month.
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I'm ambivalent about this idea - moneysinks are a nice idea....copying unique attributes of a class like OM isn't particularly original. Plus, as someone else already mentioned we have a title line we can set to whatever our hearts' desire as it is. Masking levels with a SECOND title line hardly seems necessary. I'm not even convinced that many folks will spend their money on it. I'm all for ways to waste, er, spend gold on TFC, just not convinced that this is the way to go.
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