OM stats

[Edgar]

I know everyone believes OM's to not need any tinkering with as they are a powerful class (I won't deny the latter). However, I think one thing about their natural stats does need changing, as its current system makes no sense and has essentially ruined my character.

Or: 29 Ra: 30 = 725kg strength (from OM) and 39 dex (from ranger)

Or: 29 Wa: 30 = 925kg strength (from warrior) and 38 dex (from OM)

Or: 30 Wa: 30 = 650kg strength (from OM - uhh wait, what???) and 36 dex (from OM - again... what the heck???)


I went 30/30/30 thinking (and justifiably so I might add) that I would get 725kg strength and 38 dex. I was willing to lose my warrior strength for the 38 dex that I believed OM would give me.

Instead, I somehow ended up with 650kg and 36 dex. I'm worse off in both stats than had I stayed at 29/30/30.

To me, my character is now unplayable as is. I can't lose a level via exp loss, so I'm pretty much screwed unless this is changed. It doesn't even make sense why either stat would be what they are.

In short: I think at 30 OM their stats should be 725kg strength and 38 items carried dexterity - whatever those stat numbers might be out of 25. I think 23 for both.

[Spooky]

You should clarify you would like to see this changed for "inactive" ordains, active ordains would have the stats you're suggesting.

[Edgar]

That's true. Inactive OM's still get the stats mentioned in my original post though.

[Avarice]

I don't see why INACTIVE OM should get the stat-boost that an active OM does. Your character isn't "ruined" provided your FLI is willing to reactivate you....

[Belsambar]

I don't really see this as an issue, although, I would say level 30 in a prime class is level 30 in a prime class, so, I suppose that puts me on the fence.

And the OM stat issue that I see being a root problem to begin with would just be hijacking and rehashing something that has worked fine for, oh, at least the 11-odd years I've been playing. Meh.

I guess, just be aware of what you're in for with which class is primed how for eff 50, and keep in mind the 23 across the board is only while prime. Still gonna be a powerfully beastly mofo...

And to Edgar specifically: Perhaps try gearing around being cleric prime, and push the AC higher (if you haven't already) to compensate...and keep in mind you're likely to be somewhat more efficient spell-wise than physical-wise. You'll still get plenty of kills (and it'll probly show off your skill factor a bit better)

[Anduin]

weird

[ink]

Makes perfect sense to me. In fact, I'm surprised that this isn't the case already--seems like a bug/oversight in my opinion.

[Edgar]

Re: Avarice - what stat boost? I don't know what you're talking about. I was willing to lose the warrior strength for the OM dex, and was not expecting to retain both.

Re: Belsambar - the stats going to 650/36 instead of 725/38 makes no sense whatsoever since deactivated 29/30/30 I could still reach 23 (or more - but I was willing to lose the 'or more' part). And no, I won't be gearing around awful stats, I would get killed in big fights and be at a severe disadvantage. AC against PvP's? It doesn't do what you seem to think, and at 50 as Edgar that's about 90% of what I'd be doing.

And neither of you has explained why the sudden jump is justified - just that I should deal with it.

[Tokugawa]

And no, I won't be gearing around awful stats,

Awful? hahaha

Maybe you should have gotten more information about how OM stats work before putting so much work into it, to only complain about it when you "ruined" your character.

I'm sorry, but how long have ordained mortals been around? At LEAST since 1999 from what I can tell in the version notes. I bet the stat behavior you are describing has been around that entire time.

[Edgar]

The worst dex and second worst strength of any classes in the game isn't awful? I'd say that warrants it. It's nice to see you taking this so seriously - I did spend hundreds of hours on this character after all. And yes, as is he's ruined. Dropping OM to 40? It's not like 40 warrics are owning the MUD these days. I won't go thief, and thug's not available to my race.

Who could I have asked? The immortals don't divulge that information. All the 30 OM's? No one goes 30 OM because they want the best of both worlds. I was willing to sacrifice one of the stats for an eff level and look what that got me. 30 OM should not be a punishment, it should be an accomplishment.

Just because something has been a certain way for a long time does not mean it shouldn't be changed. I still haven't heard a good explanation for why the stats even do this, just that "it's always been that way".

[Tokugawa]

I understand what you are saying. And I do not know why this happens either. The way you presented this struck me as an entitlement, and that "you wanted this fixed now damn it!" and because this occurred "my character is now unplayable as is." and "ruined". I do not agree. You CAN still play it. you may just not like that the stats changed.

There is a good way to present things and a not so effective way to present things. Leaving out the angst and just stating the idea would have been preferable.

[Sagan]

I agree that it was presented horribly. Sorry Edgar!

However, as an OM, I have to say that I won't be levelling to 30 specifically for the mentioned reasons: At 29 OM, I will have far better stats than at 30 - I don't believe the 1 effective level difference will be enough to offset the loss. That said, I'm not a big fan of having tons of inactive OMs running around simply for the amazing stats, but as long as it's an option, we're all going to do it (or want to!)

[Mugen]

this isnt anything new though, why do you think there have been so many people who stop at lvl 29 OM. but your in luck, your character isnt screwed....you can ask to be released as one of the hunt OM positions and get your warrior str/dex back

[Anduin]

I think he considers going back to level 40 as screwed Mug.

[Tokugawa]

Closing this thread as I think pretty much everything has been said about this subject.