Abolish FLI trigger use

[malgrunt]

Trigger use by gods removes power from immortals and bestows it upon mortal characters.
It is my belief that this goes against values outlines in the god rules and the interactive spirit of TFC.

Immortals should be actively involved with a character if they are going to assist them.
FLI's should not be reduced to mana batteries available to their followers upon demand.

I propose adjusting tfc rules so that immortals may not set triggers accessible by their mortal followers.
Since TFC immortals are the most trustworthy of us all, simply stating this as a rule should be enough to adjust the behavior.

-Malgrunt

[Sagan]

I think this would be incredibly hard to police and enforce. I don't have any strong feelings either way about it - I would be fine with my FLI's triggers, but I don't know that a flurry of reports every time there's a PK and someone gets Imm help is going to please the God+ staff.

This is a side-effect of having the god/follower system. It's like saying having a flee/quaff macro removes the human element from it so they shouldn't be allowed. I can understand the reasoning behind it but I don't think it would work in practice.

[ink]

The admin are aware of the way triggers are used by FLIs. What you are suggesting has been suggested before by several people, myself included. There was a time I would agree with you, but that time has passed.

I think with the implementation of unfetter this whole scenario got a lot more interesting. Now there is a way of letting mortals punish those FLIs directly. People who rely heavily on their FLI's triggers, and get complacent may find themselves dead (to you). Isn't this a much better solution, Malgrunt, possessor of god-trigger-killing-ability?

[Lessien]

Yes, let's go back to the nineties and all play on telnet. FLI's using triggers is fine. It's part of the way we play mud. You use macro's, aliases and triggers, too Malgrunt? If so, then don't complain about FLI's using them.

And, I agree with Sagan. How will you enforce this?

[malgrunt]

Yes, I do use macro's and aliases - no I don't use triggers. I did try it out a couple months ago, I set up a cloak trigger - It was "easier" but it just seemed wrong. I've managed
to play without them sine '99, why start now? Not that there is anything wrong with mortals using trigger commands.

I do understand your point lessien, but there is a lot that seperates a mortal from an immortals ability in this realm. A gods power from some distant room is far greater than a fellow mortal trapped with you in quiet.


from the immortal creed:

"I will expect mortals
to fend for themselves, to learn the world for themselves, and to face each
challenge themselves, offering only to watch in detached amusement and
perhaps - if I feel so moved - to grant them the honor of receiving a spell
or two, or a word of encouragement. "


When an FLI allows a follower to access their spells via trigger the FLI is not required to be involved, or even be at the computer during that moment.
The immortal has infact bestowed their mana and their spell casting ability upon whoever knows their keywords. I understand that the immortal
must decide who gets to access that incredible power - but they are still offering that strength and advantage to mere mortal characters.

So how do you enforce a no trigger policy? I think a god+ could post the request in the FYI list, and I would trust our immortal staff to listen.


I sort of agree with Ink's point on unfetter, except that triggers can be set in ways other than pray. Maybe when you fight me INK, you could spank
yourself in combat for a heal spell - though at least that does require more immortal participation. I do feel as though unfetter would still be a very
useful spell.

Malgrunt

[Anduin]

My issue isn't with people having triggers, it's that we're not allowed to abuse them. If the person is stupid (or "brave") enough to use them, they should do so at their own risk and be aware that it's better to actually play the game yourself.